Monday, October 10, 2011

Why We Fight

In this course we will discuss "Why We Fight" often. What are the forces that have and continue to change our world. This article gives excellent insight to what we will look at this year in a very current scenario.

23 comments:

  1. So the point of this article was to basically just say that China MIGHT have a big problem somewhere in their future? That all these situations that seem to be nearing in the future aren't looking more grim then they really are? I feel like the writer of this article looked really deeply into the way China runs it's country but they themselves are running themselves into a rut by mass educating the people and then not having a stable enough job market to sustain them. I feel like he gives them way too much credit for a system they made that is quickly falling out of date and will probably fly out the window sooner or later to uprisings. Even if China has a better bureaucratic system and not much corruption, it doesn't change the fact that one day, sooner then later, they will have to deal with this economic problem because they are training their people for jobs that the economy doesn't and won't need anytime soon - Zeeshan

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  2. The author of this article is say that china is running into major problems. They are really doing it to themselves by educating the people with things that they will not use in the future. The author is too much on china’s side with the fact that the people are going to run the government into problems. It’s really the governments fault because they are telling the people to do study for things they will never get a job in. Jobs in china are very simple, like working in factories not saficticted jobs.-samir licul

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  3. The overall prediction this article is making is that China, in the future will have a revolution. Even though at the moment, China's economy is stabilizing and most people are happy with their lives, the people of China are beginning to realize that they do not have as much of a say as they had thought. China has been providing more education for it's citizens. Having been educated about politics, the youth of the high middle class in China is realizing China does not have equality in their government. Also China, having educated it's people are not providing enough jobs to supply their people, creating another question in their citizen's mind; Why do they not have any opportunity? China having banned websites such as Facebook and Twitter, are not exposing their people to outside ideas. But by educated the people, the citizens of China start to question the government anyway. What China wants to accomplish(keep ideas of democracy out) is ironically, exactly what they are not doing. With the ideas of democracy opening up the minds of the people in China, it is clear that there will be a revolution of some sort in the future.
    -A.Z. Period 9

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  4. This article showed that something as complex as a revolution can be broken down and simplified. Clearly people fight for various reasons however there is always that one cause that a group of people will join together and fight for. The author of the article used the Arab spring as an example of this. The author also talked about China and the many problems it may face with this same subject. Many people are unhappy with the government in place and how the government is treating the people. I think that an uprising hasn't occurred yet because of the fact that China is rising to a superpower status. However in the future there may be an instance where the people of China will not take it anymore.

    Evan S. Period 9

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  5. As often said, “history does not repeat itself—but it does rhyme.” If we look at the patterns in history, we can tell that almost every great empire has fallen partially due to economic decline. Once a nation’s economy starts rapidly declining, there is less and less money left over that can be used to support the military, fund government project (mostly to help the poor), and keep order in the society. As much as I hate to admit it, money is one of the most vital parts to a functioning society. And so, if a nations starts heading toward the direction of poverty, the society is bound to fall sometime soon after that. What’s happening in China is that there are too many people available for jobs, but not enough job openings (much like the issue that is spreading in the US as well). This creates economic instability. The old are retiring later, and later, therefore the young have no jobs to fill. Eventually this cycle will lead to a possible revolt by the angered citizens with no food on their plates. Although China is a rising superpower, it only takes one rebellion to suppress China back into a second world country.
    M.C. period 9

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  6. I don't really understand nor care for most of what the article was talking about, yet I can't help but think certain parts held extremely unfair arguments. Not made by the writer, but by the Chinese government who are said to blame local officials accountable for any corruption. Sometimes they're even beheaded and I find that absurd, for sometimes it ISN'T their fault, yet they're immediately blamed. The severity of the punishment is also uncalled for in this kind of situation, I believe. Also, one can't really compare the quality of authoritarianism with different countries, as each has their own way of ruling, but perhaps that's merely my own way of thinking. -- Pearl Lee

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  7. Alright. So the way this author is so confident that the Democracy in the Middle East won't spread to China amazes me because later on he/she just states how much trouble China will be in during the near future. If China is basically economically doomed because of their high populations and un-welcoming arms to Democracy then why should anyone care? I mean China is a rising power, and a lot of competition and though we get a lot imported from China the US itself imports too much and doesn't export enough. So in my honest opinion, China not doing so well is kinda good for the US. And if China doesn't want our help, or anyone else's help, then that is completely okay. - Nia R. (Neasiha) Pd. 9

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  8. The first thing I have to say is that this article was way too lengthy. It took the writer forever to make his point. Basically, Fukuyama is saying that China, inspired by the Middle East uprisings that occured, might be the next country to overthrow their leader. However, according to the writer, "Most of the evidence suggests that China is pretty safe from the democratic wave sweeping other parts of the world—at least for now." Attacks against the government are usually led by "rising middle classes who are frustrated by the lack of political and economic opportunity." Some middle class are getting restless. There had been a labor shortage in China because of the increase of college graduates. The only factor that is keeping most of the middle class from revolting is gain in income. The Chinese government also takes special care to censor the media in order to prevent harmful ideas.
    -JesL pd.9

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  9. This seemed more like a "persuasive article" than an article. The entire point to this article is a prediction that China might have a large economic problem somewhere in the near future. Besides these points made, the author related to current events, including the rise of riots around the world, as well as relating to the theories of a man named Mr. Huntington. First I would like to say yes, of course, eventually there will be change. Of course there will be change. Reading in a history textbook have you ever read about a civilization that was not completely abolished or changed after a few hundred or even thousand years? The question really is, how soon? According to Mr. Huntington there is a trend to Revolution, revolution led by the middle classes once the want of change reaches them. As far as his theories go, they all have happened before, and they all make sense. However, as the author stated, the Chinese Government has been able to constantly create a stable economy and new jobs for their citizens. As far as change in China goes, not much radical change can be imagined in say, the next decade, especially since the economy there is supposedly getting better the last few years.
    So this article was a little pointless besides the fact that it educated you about some current events, and the state of China's government and economy.
    ,Daniel Lang

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  10. this article reminds me of the french revolution. everyone feared that since France had a revolt now their own people will revolt against their own monarchy government. This time it's China fearing that they will no longer have a Communism country, they are scared that it's going to be democratic. also i was pretty shocked to hear that the government took the poor people out of their own home in order for them to continue on to their project.
    -Brandi

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  11. The purpose of this article is to show that China may be at risk to the forces of the new democratic wave. It does not necessarily mean that China is at risk right now, but in the future they will be. With many social revolutions driven by intense anger over injured dignity, anger is sometimes caused by a single incident or image that mobilizes previously disorganized individuals and binds them into a community. China's middle class had seemed willing to trade political freedom for rising income. This seems to not be an agreeable trade-off, as China will soon realize they are paying for rights they should already have. With many Chinese realizing the disrespect they are gaining, they are bound to revolt to make a change.- Daniel Sang

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  12. After reading this article I think I have changed my opinion on why we fight. At first I thought the reason for why people fight for things against the government, was because of the fact that the government was mistreating them. Looking at the present day though, the government does not really seem to be taking away our rights but for things such as laws and taxes, they are making them harder on a certain group of people. In the article it starts that Samuel Huntington thought that the poor/lower class is not the ones who are usually starting revolutions or fights. This statement, I believe, can be applied to the past and the present. When we were learning about the French Revolution, Mr. S. said that the peasants were the ones wanting change and revolting. In this case, there was no middle class between the nobles and the extremely poor. There were three different estates but the first and second estates had extremely better living conditions in comparison to the third estate. In today’s society there is a middle class. In America, the government is not taking away rights but they are making it unfair. The government may not want to implement more taxes but the bottom class cannot afford a higher tax, and the wealthy have gotten themselves out of paying higher taxes. When the article predicts that China will be hit with revolt like Libya has, I think that the author’s prediction is somewhat correct. What I see as the problem is not the government of China as much, but the fact that there are just so many people that there are not enough jobs. The government is not really to blame anymore, from looking at history we have seen what has happened when a government is corrupt or unfair. Thus, people know better than to act in those ways. What I see is the main issue is that the people in China seem to only want certain jobs after seeing how they have a “sacred” or special college degree. In this economy people cannot be picky in what they are offered but the government, at the same time, cannot burden a certain social class too much. ~hannah Lee

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  13. Some of these points are true. Perhaps growing too fast would cause social unrest. People will become smarter and therefore would learn to fight for what they want. I disagree with the author of this article though. I bet that the author doesn't live in China or isn't a citizen in China. We can't be listening to an outsider's opinion of a country that is socially secluded from the rest of the world. In order to truly tell if social unrest will occur in the future, we need an insider's opinion, preferably from the middle class. And even if the author has done his research, he cannot truly say that his article is a fair representation of the middle class of China. -Russell

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  14.  Why we “fight” can be explained through variables that prevent us from living our lives in a simple and easy manner. Things that we want and we aren't receiving by simply asking or deserving. In the article, the people would probably fight because of the increasing levels of economic and social development. As the article says, “newly mobilized, educated and economically empowered people and their existing political system—that is, between their hopes for political participation and institutions that gave them little or no voice. Attacks against the existing political order, he noted, are seldom driven by the poorest of the poor in such a society; they tend to be led, instead, by rising middle classes who are frustrated by the lack of political and economic opportunity. “ This statement applies to Tunisia and Egypt as of today. This statement shows that the more successful or educated a person is, the more say they have in government. This upsets people because they all want a fair say in government, and this would be one reason to revolt. Poverty stricken citizens are being more controlled because they are getting back on their feet to reach a level of the middle class. Middle class citizens are struggling to maintain a good income and reach a point where getting more money is not the issue at the top of the list. Where a middle class citizen is allowed to reach a higher point in life easier. Where a couple of years of work gives a certain amount of tranquility rather than a couple of decades of work. In today's technological advancement, people can say what they think and find out other peoples opinions as well much faster than they could many years back. They are allowed to do this through Facebook, Twitter and other social websites, and through these websites the general public can interact with people from other countries. Corruption in a country is also a major reason as to why the people may revolt. The people may not like the way to government is ruling them of the way the military does its job. They may have thought that a ruler would rule with the change or the continuity of the success of the country but they do the complete opposite so they over throw the ruler. Or the government gives less rights to a lower class and more rights to a higher class, which goes back to equality. Or maybe the military takes bribes and does not protect the common people as well as they are protecting the higher class. Overall, the citizens of a nation would revolt if their opportunity of a prosperous life is purposely being prevented or equality is not being granted.-krupa patel pd.9

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  15. Even though I found the author really hard to make his point across it does clarify an issue to China's growing problems.As China is growing with population and their intellectual being, I find it would be very hard to live in China if I was in this situation. The fact that in China, you are so controlled in the government makes more likley a chance for a revolt like it happened during the French Revolution.Even though China's government could economically help them, I just don't think its right to conrol over the people. They should really try to equalize their economy so everyone has a fair share. This article was a somewhat biased but I think the Chinese government should not be so demanding and trying to be on top while in reality it is not morally right on people.
    ---E. Park

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  16. What the main point of the article was that China will sooner or later have a revolution. The reason why the author of the article says this, is that education in China has skyrocketed to a much higher level then it used to be. Those educated people who know about politics will feel like their power is being limited, and then they will revolt. Also, the author says that the people of China are being oppressed. Fukuyama talks about the abuse of power, and how the authorities “routinely fail to respect the dignity of ordinary citizens and run roughshod over their rights.” (Fukuyama). The author believes that because of the rise in education, and the abuse of power, there will be revolution in China. I do believe this is possible, but I am skeptical. The reason I say this is that China is a prospering country. When we learned about the French Revolution, and when Napoleon stepped up, people were willing to give up their rights for a good and stable government, which is what the Chinese have right now. Why would they want to fight against their government if it is mostly doing well?

    J.T.- period 9

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  17. The article in short is trying to tell everyone that is not experiencing this in their own country that there is something to be done and by breaking the problem down in to simpler portions it will help to get it resolved quicker and more effectively. When the author talks about all of the restrictions set in place by the chines government and all the restrictions that are set in place by the Middle East; they are more similar than they are different. The author say’s “The hardest thing for any political observer to predict is the moral element.” And to me that means that when trying to predict where that particular country will be in a couple of years is hard because of all the different variables that are involved in deciding. Overall the article proved to me that there are many different countries that have very similar problems that could be changed with time and work.
    S.N. prd 9

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  18. China works very hard to maintain the governments power. The Great Firewall is truly a marvel to behold. But its people cant always be in the dark. This article mainly just goes into depth of how China is pretty much the only country thats somewhat blocked from the rest of the world. I say somewhat because in today's society, its impossible to not be able to communicate from someone 50 miles away. Change in inevitable. Sooner or later, China's way of dealing with the public which, i must add, is over the edge, wont be sufficient enough to suppress what the public wants according to this article. Its just a balloon waiting to burst. Kevin An P.D. 9

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  19. I think the objective or purpose of the article is to let the viewers know that a revolt or a sort of revolution, like the revoultion in egypt, will occur in China. The article also states that China's middle class, seems content with trading political freedom in exchange for a good income and stability. But, the author feels that this trade off will fail and result into something bigger. However, for now they are almost afraid of democracy becuase they find themsleves stable and safe with the economy. But, in coming years those feelings will change.
    I agree with the author becuase when people's dignity and rights came to a turning point, they will revolt and won't be able to tolerate corruption or communism.
    -Shobha Tewani World History Pd.9

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  20. Even though I found this article to be very confusing I have clearly seen the main points that it has addressed. For one many Chinese citizens feel as though China's economy has definitely gotten much better over the past few years. They have adopted a form of democracy and feel as though it is the best the best form of government. China also has a beneficial way of giving its new investments to the poorer side of the country. This country has been very prosperous and has not faced a major recession in quite a few years though it may be at risk later in the future because of many social uprisings against disagreeing countries. China may face and overpopulation and if it becomes too focused on its government and shuns other opinions there may be a major controversy later on. -nikita farhadi

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  21. I think this article was completely biased. I believe it was from the authors perspective and we really do not know what will happen in the future. However, we clearly see that China is most likely on the verge of collapsing, they are running into numerous problems. The govenment needs to take control, China can no longer be a communist country. I think China is unstable and the only way to get out of their troubles is to let other countries help them. China is in need of help and is fighting to survive in this changing world
    -PC pd.9

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  22. this article is about the lack of proper training for jobs in China. People are being educated for the wrong things and then thrown out in the world, unable to get work because they aren't trained for it. This is a problem because now there is a lack of jobs and lack of people trained to do the jobs, it's a lose-lose situation.
    -Danielle Calleo, period 9

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  23. This article showed that something as complex as a revolution can be broken down and simplified. Clearly people fight for various reasons however there is always that one cause that a group of people will join together and fight for.The author also talked about China and the many problems it may face with this same subject. Many people are unhappy with the government in place and how the government is treating the people. I think that an uprising hasn't occurred yet because of the fact that China is rising to a superpower status. However in the future there may be an instance where the people of China will not take it anymore.

    pd9 jf

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